I've been reading a lot in the "top 10 PWG workers" thread regarding guys like Daniels, AmDrag and Joe about how they "don't care about PWG," "PWG is a low-priority booking for these guys," "they don't try as hard in PWG" and the question I keep coming up with is WHY?
Finally... and damn, I've rambled... there are big issues with booking either Joe or Danielson right now (and they don't relate to Joe's European gaffe). The big issues are the TNA X-Division Title and the ROH World Title.
It's A Bomb wrote:This thread is pretty ridiculous.
The part where he says his points take care of the arguments of guys not trying hard in PWG is dumb, because he most likely doesn't know what the real story about what goes on in the minds of Romero or Daniels.
The part where he says CZW does better actual business, along with other Southern promotions is off the wall. Sure, the hick promotions draw a lot, but chances are they don't make much money as they have to pay guys on the shows, building costs, insurance, ring cost, travel, and various expenses since they only rely on gate instead of DVD sales.
And CZW has recently began to draw less fans to their shows, so it's not hard to say PWG is above them when it comes to business stuff. CZW most likely does make more money
I'm willing to bet PWG does better business than CZW and the Southern promotions.
The booking issues point brought up really don't hold much ground, unless you're on the inside and know what goes on. There must be good reasons as to why they don't book them, but they're most likely unrelated to politics or anything like that. Comments like those are ones that start up rumors, and thus ruins things between the people who really matter.in the wrestling world.
Honestly, the concept of this thread is nice and all. Everything else said has either been way off, makes no sense, or doesn't really hold any ground on the matter as there is a huge chance that the point made has been made off of assumptions and facts that aren't really solid.
Saying my points "take care" of those things was lazy wording on my part... otherwise, I think I made it clear that I wasn't presuming anything about anybody's mindset. My primary points were that 1) Daniels isn't not working hard so much as wrestling differently, and 2) Rocky sometimes *looks* like he doesn't want to be there. Those are observations based on going to PWG shows. Would you disagree with those assessments?
I'd certainly assume that PWG sells more DVDs than those Southern promotions, but they do sell DVDs. CCW, for example, is sold on Highspots just like PWG.
And I'm not sure why you enumerated the expenses for those feds, as though PWG doesn't have to pay to put on a wrestling show.
I'd be willing to bet those feds fly in fewer guys than PWG...
LOL @ us dorks having an effect on anything... besides, what rumors could I possibly have started in my post?
Every single ROH guy I listed has mentioned their loyalty to Gabe and ROH in some interview or another. Danielson and Joe have worked FIP over PWG every single time the two feds have run against each other in the past year.
There's obviously going to be a speculative element to discussions like this -- I think everyone involved has acknowledged that.
But are you disputing that guys work FIP over PWG?
Are you disputing that workers being unable to job -- which has almost always been true of TNA and ROH champions -- would be a booking complication for a wrestling company?
What exactly are you trying to accomplish in this thread, besides letting us know that you're cranky?
It's A Bomb wrote:And FYI, Rocky came off a bad shoulder injury, maybe he's "slacking off"(which I'm not really buying, as his matches have been really good) because he's wrestling with a bad shoulder? Maybe he's playing it safe?
You named one promotion, and there are plenty of other promotions out there who run the same kind of shows. I'm still willing to bet they don't make much money.
Yeah, maybe they don't. However, do you think booking Robert Gibson, Ricky Morton, Dusty Rhodes, Dennis Condrey, Bobby Eaton, or Mick Foley comes cheaper than PWG guys?
I thought you where smart enough to see my point, despite my fuck ups. What I'm saying is that because CZW attendence numbers, PWG must be doing better since they're not having people produce, film, or edit their own shows. Plus CZW books lesser known guys while PWG books bigger names, and it seems that PWG makes enough money to book bigger names on a consistent basis to book those names while CZW doesn't.
Well, Mr Dork, as the post before said. There will always be an effect by little comments made by people like you, no matter what. Any small minded person who doesn't follow wrestling politics as closely as you do could easily think what you're saying is legit. Some simple minded folk could come along and easily think that PWG wont book guys because of some titles they hold.
Ever stop to think that maybe Gabe had a bunch of dates lined up ahead of time and asked them to be on the shows? This just doesn't apply to Joe and Danielson, it applies to everyone that works there. Maybe it's not a case of PWG not being a high priority after all!
Oh, and Alex Shelley once worked a PWG show over an ROH show.
Not really, nobody made a real effort to point that out and acted as if they know the real thoughts and feelings of people who choose one booking over the other or just mail things in.
We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and I think there's really no basis to say that any of these workers doesn't "care" about PWG.
*Sigh* Nope, my entire point is that NOBODY REALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING THROUGH THE MINDS OF THESE PEOPLE. I'm not disputing anything, do I have to make things clearer for you?
Plus, if someone is dumb enough to book those guys without having a thought out plan about how they're going to be used they shouldn't be bookers in the first place.
I'm not cranky though, I'm pretty happy right now and I'm enjoying life. In fact I just got a new kitty, his name is Tobias. He makes me <3 the world, because he's a cute little kitty.
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