A three-year-old sees where it's going. What I brought up was why in the hell Tornado would agree to a match where Sky is so obviously setting him up. It makes Tornado, the face, look like an idiot.
Maybe they're going with something different? Maybe there's a different plan than the obvious. There are always different ways these angles can go, and PWG has swerved the fans many times before. The eye rolling was cute though.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you watch a lot of UFC. After all, UFC has produced some awful shows. Like take 2005, where UFC shows got a collective 1,604 thumbs up, 110 thumbs down and 187 thumbs in the middle from Observer readers. That's some awful programming right there. And not only that, it's laughable to suggest a UFC show might be good.
Ok, I guess UFC must be good since a bunch of wrestling marks who read The Observer think it is. Nevermind the boring fights, the poor heavyweight division, the readers of a wrestling newsletter that is published by a guy who overrates matches always have the right opinion. I'm sorry, I'll never question the word of the ever holy minds of Observer readers.
No, it's not. I said the fans here aren't as willing to say something stinks. You said that I said they won't say something stinks, and then explained that sometimes they do.
I ment that I put the words differently, not you. I put in the incorrect wording, but my point still stands. Even with my incorrect wording it was still easy to tell what I was trying to go for.
And then you once again said that nobody is unwilling to speak their minds, when I never said that. Your description of the difference between east coast fans and SoCal fans is completely in agreement with my assessment.
Nope. You tried to say that fans here aren't as willing to admit something sucks but other fans are more willing elsewhere. I countered by saying that wasn't true but at the same time fans are not as smarky and as nit/picky as other fans. They're willing to express their negative thoughts, but they just don't have as many as other fans. My description is the difference between east coast fans and SoCal fans are that more eastcoasters are a lot more anal than us. There, I just said that several times now hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from since you missed my point.
Stop putting words in my mouth!
I'd have to attempt to put words into your mouth before I could stop.
This "real opinions" distinction is BS. There was no criticism from you of people just saying "kickass show." It was only when the criticism came in that all of a sudden had to be justified.
Big difference. You're writting for a website that is read by thousands of people across the world. The people who are saying it's a kickass show are mostly fans on message boards talking to others that went to the show or a few select people who didn't get to go. I'm not trying to go after your opinions, just the way your report was written.
It's a total double standard over the amount of time and effort people need to spend deconstructing an indy show. If you praise it, that's fine. But if heaven forbid you criticize, you better come with a treatise backing your opinion. Because lord knows there are tons of people out there providing pages of analysis over live independent shows that aren't available on tape.
When someone criticizes something, there's a disscussion on it. When people agree on something, there isn't a disscussion. Simple. If people praise it, what's the point of trying to debate when people agree? If people think it sucks, what's the point of trying to argue when both parties think it sucks? I've been in a disscussion over something I liked with someone didn't share my views on the subject and I didn't get butt hurt like yourself and cry foul over double standards.
I don't go to every PWG show with a pad and pen to take notes. I don't go to them as a reporter. I go to them as a 2L taking a break from my busy schedule, and to have fun. The reports I write up are just passing along the information on the show to Dave, because I've been lobbying him for more PWG coverage for over a year now. Sometimes he runs them, sometimes he doesn't. Mainly I'm just pointing out the shows are out there, and are good. And believe me, that type of publicity helps PWG. I get e-mails from people asking about what PWG DVDs to order all the time, and getting PWG mentioned when you mention ROH has been a big goal of mine. But you can't have it both ways, accepting "that was a great match," and rejecting "that was a disappointment."
Just because you don't jot down every detail about a show and don't go to them as a reporter doesn't change that your report was poorly written and that you can't remember the main detials of the event and give some close to accurate information. It's great to see you getting PWG hype and people asking about DVDs, but it's weak that you don't put effort into every event. Nothing is being dismissed because of thoughts on the quality of the show on my part, only that your report was horrible(how many times am I going to have to say that before you get my point?). Too many people write down matches as "good technical match" and "decent stuff, good comedy here and there" on reviews to the point where it doesn't get interesting. That's what you did, and that's why I think your report sucked.
Oh, and incase you want to bring up the "people only praise reports that report the shows as awesome blah blah blah blah" argument again, keep this in mind. The poster on here named Lord Akiyama submitted a report of a show that nearly had all the matches on a show near the **** range and got criticism from others here. Myself included. So put down the "reject the negative thoughts" card because it wont help you now.
You're also mixing up two issues. Before you were reprimanding me for not being constructive, which is an issue of bias, and just being negative for the sake of being negative. Now what you're arguing isn't an issue of constructive criticism. It's an issue of depth of analysis.
Ugh. No. My point was you tried to claim that you where giving constructive criticism when you didn't offer that and that you didn't give many details except for random one liners and little things here and there. And you have yet to show me where you offered anything constructive that would benefit PWG. I'm not grilling you on your lack of analysis, just the fact that you're report sucked and you brought nothing to the table in terms of criticism. I hope you can understand that(seeing as how I mentioned it a billion times).
As far as jumping on the issues, you're the one jumping to different issues. I tried to help you understand my point but insted you just act like I'm trying to attack you for your negative opinions and such.
You're asking from me something completely different than what I'm doing, and I'm sorry, it's a lot more fun watching a live show than writing down move for move. The type of report you're asking for just isn't done for many indy shows. You're talking about tape reviews, but that's a completely different animal. You can go back and forth, and you have time to analyze and go back. To compare that to live indy reports is absurd. If you want detailed blow-by-blow accounts of PWG live events, do it yourself.
So now you're trying to say that I'm demanding move for move reports? That just gives me a big "lol" as I'm only saying that a little more details about the show aside from your two line stuff would make your reports more valid. If you just sent in results with minor details, I can understand that but insted you're writting a report with slim details and lacks any real criticism that you claim to have made earlier. I'm not asking for much, and I could care less about every single note about what happend since I go to the shows. If you're going to do reports and offer criticism and details, do them right. I'm not talking about tape reviews either. It seems like you lack the brain power to understand that. And the "do it yourself" line was cute, reminds me of my nephew when my brother asks him to do his homework.
Those are completely different reports than what I did this weekend, because there my priority was writing up a report. Here my priority was watching a show, and I don't have to apologize for that. You're comparing apples and oranges. I'm capable of doing a much more detailed analysis, but I would rather just sit back and enjoy the show.
Fine, you're capable of writting detailed reviews. That still doesn't change the fact that your last report didn't offer cronstructive criticisms or good details. Enjoy the shows all you want, have fun. Do whatever you want. Just keep in mind if you're going to offer constructive criticisms you should do so insted of claiming to by writting "This was the worst PWG show I