krayzie Bone wrote:Ok lets be honest here!
So its not right to chant "this is bull shit" when Joey wins, but its perfectly fine to chant "fuck you Hero"? each and every show?
krayzie Bone wrote:Ok lets be honest here!
So its not right to chant "this is bull shit" when Joey wins, but its perfectly fine to chant "fuck you Hero"? each and every show?
AmericanWolvesMark wrote:In case anybody was wondering, myself and the guy next to me started counting the Hero elbows. And yes, 19 elbows is way too much. If it's supposed to be his finisher, why did he keep having to do it? People complain that Richards spams kicks and Roddy spams chops (which they do), but they aren't supposed to be finishing moves; they're set-up moves.In Kayfabe terms, if Hero's elbow is supposed to be so deadly, why did Joey Ryan take and kick out of the 13 that hit his head and in the grand scheme of things no-sell Hero's elbows to his shoulder? And yes, Joey went overboard with the kicks as well, but the difference between Hero and Joey is that Hero's been going elbow happy for more than a year and a half now and not just one night or a few shows here and there. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Hero, but he's better than this. I love when he throws his kicks, Liger Bomb, most of his cravate stuff, and the lucha stuff he does from time to time. It's why whenever he would pass near me, I would say, "Chris, you're better than this."
Again, it's just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
krayzie Bone wrote:AmericanWolvesMark wrote:In case anybody was wondering, myself and the guy next to me started counting the Hero elbows. And yes, 19 elbows is way too much. If it's supposed to be his finisher, why did he keep having to do it? People complain that Richards spams kicks and Roddy spams chops (which they do), but they aren't supposed to be finishing moves; they're set-up moves.In Kayfabe terms, if Hero's elbow is supposed to be so deadly, why did Joey Ryan take and kick out of the 13 that hit his head and in the grand scheme of things no-sell Hero's elbows to his shoulder? And yes, Joey went overboard with the kicks as well, but the difference between Hero and Joey is that Hero's been going elbow happy for more than a year and a half now and not just one night or a few shows here and there. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Hero, but he's better than this. I love when he throws his kicks, Liger Bomb, most of his cravate stuff, and the lucha stuff he does from time to time. It's why whenever he would pass near me, I would say, "Chris, you're better than this."
Again, it's just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
First of all on the first night when Hero wrestled Daniels, Hero barely used any elbows, so please don't lie ok!
Secondly, Hero's finisher is not just an elbow, it is called the "blow of death" which is a hangman's neckbreaker spinning elbow combination. So his regular elbows have nothing to do with his finisher. Hero is wrestling a very Noah style matches which are awesome. If you really pay attention to the match, he never really throws the same elbow twice, very effective and realistic wrestling from the best in the world Chris Hero.
Madvillian wrote:anybody take any pics?
AmericanWolvesMark wrote:krayzie Bone wrote:AmericanWolvesMark wrote:In case anybody was wondering, myself and the guy next to me started counting the Hero elbows. And yes, 19 elbows is way too much. If it's supposed to be his finisher, why did he keep having to do it? People complain that Richards spams kicks and Roddy spams chops (which they do), but they aren't supposed to be finishing moves; they're set-up moves.In Kayfabe terms, if Hero's elbow is supposed to be so deadly, why did Joey Ryan take and kick out of the 13 that hit his head and in the grand scheme of things no-sell Hero's elbows to his shoulder? And yes, Joey went overboard with the kicks as well, but the difference between Hero and Joey is that Hero's been going elbow happy for more than a year and a half now and not just one night or a few shows here and there. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Hero, but he's better than this. I love when he throws his kicks, Liger Bomb, most of his cravate stuff, and the lucha stuff he does from time to time. It's why whenever he would pass near me, I would say, "Chris, you're better than this."
Again, it's just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt.
First of all on the first night when Hero wrestled Daniels, Hero barely used any elbows, so please don't lie ok!
Secondly, Hero's finisher is not just an elbow, it is called the "blow of death" which is a hangman's neckbreaker spinning elbow combination. So his regular elbows have nothing to do with his finisher. Hero is wrestling a very Noah style matches which are awesome. If you really pay attention to the match, he never really throws the same elbow twice, very effective and realistic wrestling from the best in the world Chris Hero.
Ok, I'll give you Saturday night. He was pretty great on Saturday and his elbow meant something since it led directly to the finish(which was very random and disappointing not based on who won, just on how suddenly daniels tapped right when I felt Hero and Daniels had gotten into a good groove). And last time I checked, he was still finishing people off with his standard roaring elbow in ROH and Japan. And yes he throws the same elbow more than twice. I remember that sequence on Sunday where he hit Joey with three straight elbows and they were all the same spin to build momentum and hit type elbows. Again, I don't hate Hero, I would just like him vary his moveset a little bit more. He's getting better at it, but he still needs to cut back on the elbows is all.
krayzie Bone wrote:Ok American Wolves, let me ask you a question, and believe me I'm not asking this to put you down or insult you; Do you understand strong style wrestling?
AmericanWolvesMark wrote:
Ok, I'll give you Saturday night. He was pretty great on Saturday and his elbow meant something since it led directly to the finish(which was very random and disappointing not based on who won, just on how suddenly daniels tapped right when I felt Hero and Daniels had gotten into a good groove). And last time I checked, he was still finishing people off with his standard roaring elbow in ROH and Japan. And yes he throws the same elbow more than twice. I remember that sequence on Sunday where he hit Joey with three straight elbows and they were all the same spin to build momentum and hit type elbows. Again, I don't hate Hero, I would just like him vary his moveset a little bit more. He's getting better at it, but he still needs to cut back on the elbows is all.
jdw wrote:krayzie Bone wrote:Ok American Wolves, let me ask you a question, and believe me I'm not asking this to put you down or insult you; Do you understand strong style wrestling?
I didn't know that Hero based his wrestling on Inoki. I learn something knew every day.
John
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